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Offline Archibald

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Aerospaceplane (1958-1963)
« on: November 23, 2006, 10:24:01 am »
Atempt to make a SSTO with a LACE system.
air coming from the intake was pumped in tanks, oxygen was separated from the rest of the air, then went to fuel the engine (burning with hydrogen).
First atempt at LACE / ACES long before HOTOL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerospaceplane

I would really want to see some pics of the contenders (if any)
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Re: Aerospaceplane (1958-1963)
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2006, 12:07:29 pm »
The most recent edition of Jenkins Shuttle book had a big section on Aerospaceplane.
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Re: Aerospaceplane (1958-1963)
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2006, 08:12:53 am »
Hemmm... any hope of seeing some pics here ?  :-[
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Re: Aerospaceplane (1958-1963)
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2006, 01:46:15 pm »
There is always hope.
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Re: Aerospaceplane (1958-1963)
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2006, 02:44:25 pm »
 :D
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Re: Aerospaceplane (1958-1963)
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2006, 04:25:36 pm »
Set scanner resolution to "Tantalize!"
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Re: Aerospaceplane (1958-1963)
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2006, 04:26:13 pm »
The rest.
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Re: Aerospaceplane (1958-1963)
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2006, 04:28:35 pm »
Image resolution intentionally set low because:
1) Jenkins is a good feller
2) The book is readily available for purchase
3) There's a lot more neat stuff in it
4) And it didn't sell near as well as it should have.
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Re: Aerospaceplane (1958-1963)
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2006, 12:06:42 am »
Ok, I understand! Once you mention the book, I knew htat there would be some "limits". That's perfect like that, just wanted to see the pics to have an idea of what the concepts look like :)
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Re: Aerospaceplane (1958-1963)
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2006, 07:48:56 am »
"And it didn't sell near as well as it should have."

maybe because it is an updated version of the previous book with no allowance made for the  punkies like me who bought the first issue ?

In a similar vein I have the 3 different issues of "X-planes" . Not because I like it but because no one is interested in buying from me the two earlier editions  which I bought as soon as they were released...

Updating a book could be a good or a bad idea ....depending on wether you have bought the first issue or not.

(obviously this is going completely outside the topic, I know !!!!)

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Re: Aerospaceplane (1958-1963)
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2006, 07:58:40 am »
One of Aerospaceplane concepts
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Re: Aerospaceplane (1958-1963)
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2006, 08:02:19 am »
maybe because it is an updated version of the previous book with no allowance made for the  punkies like me who bought the first issue ?

Both X-planes and Space Shuttle books have significant add-ons (seems that first X-planes edition loses some very important info on X-45, yes? ))) and differencies, I must say as owner of three/two editions, respectively.
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Re: Aerospaceplane (1958-1963)
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2006, 08:48:47 am »
Something similar

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Re: Aerospaceplane (1958-1963)
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2006, 10:35:31 am »
I heard that Marquardt went as far as testing an engine (or at least , a demonstrator).
what were the problems exactly with the system ?
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Re: Aerospaceplane (1958-1963)
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2006, 11:58:00 am »
I heard that Marquardt went as far as testing an engine (or at least , a demonstrator).
what were the problems exactly with the system ?

In the end... physics and complexity. An SSTO airbreathing spaceplane is something at the bleeding edge of technology and materials science *today,* in 1963 the idea was virtually impossible.

Marquardt tested a large number of engines, from ramjets to ejector ramjets to supercharged turboejectorramscramjets. A lot of progress was made, but nothing flight-like and of the scale needed for ASP was made.
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